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Root Of Good | 2nd Generation FIRE And College
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Financial independence can often lead to pivotal conversations about how to instill the principles of financial independence in the next generation. This episode dives deep into the concept of second-generation financial independence (FI) and how parents can navigate the path toward achieving financial goals while raising children. The discussion highlights strategies for teaching kids about money management, the impact of early retirement on financial education, and the importance of fostering a frugal mindset. The guests share personal stories and insights into raising children in a financially conscious household and explore the long-term benefits of instilling FI values from an early age. This episode also taps into practical advice around optimizing investments, reducing costs associated with childcare, and leveraging financial education to ensure children are well-equipped for their financial futures.

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With Justin McCurry

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Teach Your Children Financial Wisdom: The Path to Second Generation FIRE

Achieving financial independence and retiring early (FIRE) is not just a personal journey; it's an opportunity to instill profound financial wisdom in the next generation. This concept, known as second generation FIRE, encourages parents to proactively prepare their children for a financially secure future. Here are actionable strategies to cultivate financial literacy in your family.

Understand the Essence of Second Generation FIRE

Second generation FIRE is about equipping your children with the knowledge and tools to manage finances effectively from a young age. Your experiences, struggles, and successes serve as a powerful teaching framework. Reflect on the wisdom you've gained along the way and make it a focal point in family discussions about money, savings, and investments.

Start Financial Education Early

Introducing financial concepts to children early can set them on a path toward financial independence. Simple, digestible topics can be incorporated into daily life:

  • Discuss Money Management: Use casual conversations to explain the difference between needs and wants. Reinforce this lesson when making purchases.
  • Involve Them in Budgeting: Show them how you create a family budget, helping them understand the importance of tracking income and expenses.

Utilize opportunities that arise in everyday scenarios, whether shopping together or discussing bills, to highlight the significance of fiscal responsibility.

Use Tax-Advantaged Accounts Wisely

Understanding various tax-advantaged accounts such as 401(k)s, IRAs, and 457 plans is crucial for financial literacy and independence. These accounts offer significant advantages that can reduce taxable income while simultaneously building wealth.

Leverage 457 Plans for Early Retirement

A 457 plan is especially beneficial for achieving early retirement as it allows tax-free withdrawals at any age. If you have access to this option through your employment, it can serve as a powerful tool in your financial planning. Encourage older children to explore options for contributing to their own savings when they start earning their own income.

Tackle the Expenses of Parenthood

Raising children has significant costs associated, with childcare often being the largest of these expenses. However, transitioning to early retirement can help mitigate these costs.

Optimize Childcare Expenses

Consider the following strategies to reduce childcare costs:

  • Retkire Early: By retiring early, you may eliminate or reduce the need for expensive childcare altogether. Being present allows you to care for your children during their formative years.
  • Explore Local Resources: Many community centers and libraries provide free activities. Take advantage of these to keep children engaged without straining the family budget.

Teach Kids the Value of Saving and Investing

Establishing a savings habit early can foster a sense of financial independence in children. Encourage them to save a portion of any allowance or gifts received.

Involve them in Financial Decisions

  • Match Their Savings: Implement a system where you match their savings, reinforcing the value of saving versus spending.
  • Introduce Investment Concepts: As they grow older, introduce simple investing principles. For example, explain how they can invest their saved allowances in a small stock or bonds.

Communicate Openly About Family Finances

Transparency is fundamental in teaching financial responsibility. Engage your children in conversations about the family’s financial goals and challenges.

Share Your Financial Journey

Talk about your own experiences regarding savings, budgeting, and lifestyle choices. This real-world perspective provides valuable lessons on the importance of decision-making related to finances.

  • Discuss Failures and Successes: Don't shy away from discussing mistakes; they can provide crucial lessons for your children.

Utilize the Power of Experience

  • Learning Opportunities: Organize family activities where kids can earn and manage their own money, such as a lemonade stand or yard work. These experiences can teach them about work, income, and expenses firsthand.
  • Provide Practical Experience: Use family budgeting as a lesson for older children. Show them how to access bank statements, budget for groceries, and discuss long-term financial planning.

Address Potential Concerns: Entitlement Mentality and Financial Strain

Many parents worry their children might develop an entitlement mentality from having financially literate parents. Combat this by ingraining values of hard work and frugality.

Foster a Growth Mindset

Encourage your children to understand that the lifestyle you enjoy is a result of hard work and strategic planning. Teach them about the effort required to achieve financial goals.

Stress the Importance of Financial Responsibility

Instill a strong sense of responsibility regarding money management, encouraging them to question their spending and to seek out the true value in what they purchase.

Empower Children to Be Proactive

Encourage a proactive approach to finances by helping children understand how to create financial opportunities for themselves.

College Planning for Financial Independence

Consider starting the college discussion early. Help children explore educational paths that allow them to earn college credits while still in high school, minimizing expenses and debt upon graduation.

  • Research Accessible Programs: Investigate community colleges or programs that allow for dual credit enrollment during high school.

Keep the FIRE Community Involvement Alive

Engage in the FIRE community to share experiences, strategies, and mutual support.

Foster a Supportive Environment

Participate in local or online FIRE groups, which can provide an invaluable support network for your financial journey and encourage your children to see the possibilities of financial independence.

Conclusion

Investing in your children's financial education is not just about preparing for their independence; it’s about fostering a mindset that values smart financial decisions, critical thinking, and a proactive approach to finances. By implementing these strategies, you can help your children navigate their financial futures with confidence, ensuring that they embark on their paths to financial independence. Through second generation FIRE, you can empower the next generation to thrive in a landscape of opportunities and possibilities.

Let's talk about 2nd Generation FI. What changes when you are raising kids after hitting FI yourself or on the path to FI? How do we do college smartly?

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Podcast Episode Summary

  • Our guest: Justin from Root of Good

  • Justin had access to 401k and the 457 retirement plans

  • 457 plan is an extremely valuable tool for early retirement as there is no 10% early withdrawal penalty

  • Justin’s early retirement journey: Retirement at 33

  • Saved over 60% of his income to help retire early

  • Justin has a wife and 3 kids and was still able to retire early

  • What does a day in the life look like for Justin and the Root of Good family?

  • “Optimal spouse selection” is important on the path to early retirement. You both need to align and be compatible with the savings mindset

  • Being early retired gives you the flexibility to spend your time as you choose and live like a billionaire from a prior era

  • Justin followed the Early Retirement Forums to model the behavior as he was learning about the path to financial independence

  • Does it really cost $300,000 to raise a child?

  • They spend $29,000 to $34,000 per year including luxurious vacations

  • Quote of the day: “If you want to be average, it’s going to cost 300 grand”

  • How they save money on cruises for the family: Go in the off-season, look for deals online, and book through a shopping portal like Ebates, don’t book excursions through the cruise line

  • How does early retirement impact your children?

  • Great lesson to teach your kids: I worked really hard for 10 years, saved money, and now can enjoy life for the next 50

  • For people who save money, it isn’t a stressor, it’s a tool to live a better life

  • You have so much extra time to spend with your children when you are early retired

  • Significant tax savings from having children

  • 2nd Generation FIRE: How to pass this concept on to our children and teach them to get started even before we did

  • Planning for children’s college while early retired

  • How to get college credit while still in high school (AP classes, classes from a local university, etc.)

  • Once you get to college, how do you pay for it?

  • How to hack the FAFSA: they don’t look at retirement savings or home equity for calculation

  • Don’t pay the sticker price for college! Financial aid and scholarships are plentiful

  • Some elite schools offer full scholarships to “lower income” people of which early retirees may qualify

  • Will college still be relevant in 10 years and how will you pay for it?

  • The Hot Seat Questions

  • Justin’s favorite blog: Millennial Revolution

  • How Brad uses ToDoIst to put everything in his life on autopilot

Listen to Brad and Jonathan's thoughts about this episode here.

Links from the show:

15-2nd Generation FIRE